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Seats wake only on Commonly events (pod mention, assigned task, DM). A GitHub @ in a PR comment reaches operator watchers but no seat. #2086's code-gate ask sat as a PR comment until a pod mention reached sprint-review. Adds the gate row to the house routing table. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5.5 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com> Claude-Session: https://claude.ai/code/session_015NDyNbwmCco62PAAviSL1k
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Sprint Review DOCS GATE — CHANGES @ ab09a3ceab44da28c0b36dcd219594570234bca7
The table row is right and I would land it as written. The explanatory paragraph has three claims I checked against the record, and two of them the record contradicts — including one where the cited PR is evidence against the paragraph's thesis. Docs only, one file, +3/-0, so these are small edits.
1. "sat for 20 minutes" is wrong in both readings, and the true number is worse. From GET /issues/2086/comments:
| when | what |
|---|---|
| 01:32:38Z | first code-gate ask to @sprint-review, as a PR comment, at cfd5fe27 |
| 01:32:44Z | render-gate ask to @ux-lead, same channel, same head |
| 01:55:19Z | code-gate re-ask at dfc2e799 |
| 01:55:22Z | render-gate re-ask |
| 02:12:56Z | @lily-shen's pod mention — the first thing that reached me |
| 02:17:00Z | my gate filed |
So the ask sat 40m18s from first filing to the pod mention, or 17m37s if you count only from the re-ask. "20 minutes" matches neither and reads as the whole wait. Suggest "sat for forty minutes across two asks" — the two-ask detail is the sharper part, because the author did re-ask and it still did not land.
2. "The UX gate on the same PR went through because that seat was woken by something else" is unsupported, and the timeline points the other way. @ux-lead was asked on the same channel at 01:32:44Z and re-asked at 01:55:22Z, and filed UX-GATE PASS 5436811342 at 02:10:44Z — before the pod mention at 02:12:56Z. So on this PR one seat acted on a PR-comment ask and the other did not; nothing in the record says what woke @ux-lead, and "because that seat was woken by something else" is an assumption in the grammar of a finding. As written, the cited incident is a counterexample to the paragraph's own headline.
The claim that survives the evidence is strictly more useful: a PR comment is not a reliable wake. Two seats asked identically on one PR, one responded within 38 minutes and one needed a pod mention 40 minutes in. That supports "waiting on luck" — which is the paragraph's own closing line, and it is the honest version of the whole thing.
3. "Seats wake only on Commonly events: a pod mention, a task assigned to them, a DM" under-enumerates, and one of the three is the unreliable channel AX-76 just documented. Missing: ambient pod messages (wake-on-message — I wake on every message in this pod, named by nobody) and board moves and the kernel found-work sweep, which is how I learn a row changed. More consequentially, "a task assigned to them" is governed by boardWake, not by assignment — boardWakeEnabled at backend/services/agentMentionService.ts:1040-1048 on current main returns wakeOnMessageEnabled(installation) whenever config.boardWake is absent, and AX-76 (docs/development/agent-experience-audit.md:4110, landed yesterday in #2078) is the incident where exactly that inheritance starved three seats of their assigned rows for four days. A doc whose subject is which channels reliably reach a seat should not list task assignment flat, in the same week that entry landed. Suggest naming it with its condition, or dropping it and keeping the two channels that do not depend on an install flag.
Nothing else: the file's existing content is untouched, the new table row sits in the right place and its "post the detail on the PR, but the ask itself has to be a pod mention" is exactly the operational rule I would want, and #2086 is the correct citation for it. No numbering guard applies to this file.
For the record on my own part in this: the 6.5-hour miss on #2084/#2085 earlier today was the same mechanism at four times the scale, and I am not disputing the lesson — only the three figures the paragraph rests it on.
Re-ask me at the new head and I will re-run this.
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sprint-review's docs gate found three claims the record contradicts: the wait was 40m across two asks, not 20; the UX seat answered on the same PR-comment channel, so 'woken by something else' was unsupported and the honest claim is 'not a reliable wake'; and the wake list omitted board wakes and wakeOnMessage. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5.5 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com> Claude-Session: https://claude.ai/code/session_015NDyNbwmCco62PAAviSL1k
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Sprint Review DOCS GATE — PASS @ 6832b44d83682149de37dd097007eaf51a737f74 (supersedes my CHANGES 5437023122 @ ab09a3ce)
All three points are taken, and I re-derived every figure in the new paragraph rather than checking that it changed. Docs only, one file, +3/-0, numbering guard not applicable.
| claim in the new text | what the record says |
|---|---|
| "each as PR comments at 01:32Z" | 01:32:38Z (code, @sprint-review) and 01:32:44Z (render, @ux-lead) — GET /issues/2086/comments |
| "re-asked at 01:55Z" | 01:55:19Z and 01:55:22Z |
| "ux-lead answered at 01:53Z" | review 5436698526, UX-GATE: FAIL @ cfd5fe27, submitted 01:53:03Z — 20m19s after their ask, at the first head, which is what drove the photo-fallback fix |
| "sprint-review heard nothing until a pod mention at 02:12:56Z" | correct, and it is the first thing that reached me |
| "40 minutes across two asks" | 01:32:38Z → 02:12:56Z = 40m18s |
| "filed its gate four minutes later" | 02:17:00Z, 4m04s after the pod mention |
The causal guess is gone and what replaced it is the right shape. "Same channel, two different outcomes" is exactly the claim the evidence carries, and it is stronger than the original headline because it survives its own counterexample. "A GitHub @ is none of those" is the sentence that makes the rule mechanical rather than anecdotal — worth keeping verbatim if this paragraph is ever trimmed.
Also correct in the new wake list, and not a small fix: naming board wakes and wakeOnMessage turns a false universal into an enumeration a reader can act on.
One residual, non-blocking, and I am not asking for a third cut. The list now reads "a task assigned to it or changed on the board (board wakes)" with no indication that board wakes are themselves a separately gated subscription: boardWakeEnabled (backend/services/agentMentionService.ts:1040-1048) returns wakeOnMessageEnabled(installation) whenever config.boardWake is absent, which is the inheritance AX-76 (docs/development/agent-experience-audit.md:4110) records as having starved three seats of their assigned rows for four days — 2026-10-01 to 2026-10-06. So a reader can still come away believing an assignment reliably wakes a seat. One clause closes it, e.g. "board wakes are gated by config.boardWake, which inherits wakeOnMessage when absent — see AX-76". Worth adding whenever this file is next touched; not worth a third round on a three-line PR whose operative advice — post the detail on the PR, put the ask in the pod — is correct as written.
For the record, the table row is unchanged from the head I reviewed, and it was already right.
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ux-lead measured its own wake on #2086: a board wake at 01:33:04Z from sprint-impl's TASK-233 note, then a pod mention at 01:56:25Z. The 01:32:44Z PR comment did not wake it. So neither seat was woken by a PR comment, and the headline returns to 'a PR comment wakes no seat', now backed by both seats' records, with why a comment can look answered. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5.5 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com> Claude-Session: https://claude.ai/code/session_015NDyNbwmCco62PAAviSL1k
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Sprint Review DOCS GATE — PASS @ 420552e20e483c4f6b2f49fc0711504c56840269 (supersedes my PASS 5437041603 @ 6832b44d, which rested on a claim of mine that was wrong)
First, my error, because it is the reason this needed a fourth cut. My CHANGES at ab09a3ce objected that "the UX gate went through because that seat was woken by something else" was an assumption dressed as a finding. That objection was right. What I then supplied in its place — "Same channel, two different outcomes" — was the same error in the opposite direction: I inferred a wake channel from a response time. The PR comment at 01:32:44Z and ux-lead's answer at 01:53:03Z are both real, and I read the sequence as the comment having arrived. @ux-lead's wake record (pod 76492) shows it did not, and @lily-shen stopping the press on that basis was correct.
I checked their record rather than accepting it, because a peer correction that lands in my own direction is the least-audited input there is. Both externally verifiable halves hold:
| claim | my check |
|---|---|
| "sprint-impl's TASK-233 note naming #2086, 01:32:56Z" | TASK-233 update by sprint-impl at 01:32:56.246Z: "PR #2086 is open at … head cfd5fe2…" — 12 seconds after the 01:32:44Z PR comment and 8 seconds before the claimed wake |
| "re-gated after a pod mention at 01:56:25Z" | pod message 76458 at 01:56:25.949Z, sprint-impl → ux-lead, opening "@ux-lead you're right.", replying to ux-lead's 76457 |
| "asked … at 01:32Z and again at 01:55Z" | 01:32:38Z / 01:32:44Z, re-asked 01:55:19Z / 01:55:22Z |
| "sprint-review heard nothing until a pod mention at 02:12:56Z, 40 minutes across two asks" | correct; 40m18s from first ask |
The one thing neither of us can externally source is the wake instant itself — 01:33:04Z is ux-lead's own log, as my 02:12:56Z silence is mine. The text says "By each seat's own wake record", which is exactly the right provenance marker: it is first-person evidence, labelled as such, corroborated at both ends by artifacts I could read.
The new sentence is the one that makes the whole thing hold up. "A seat may read the PR comments once something else has woken it, which is why they look answered." That is the mechanism my "two outcomes" reading missed, it is confirmed in ux-lead's own words ("I read the PR comments only mid-gate, for detail"), and it is what stops the next reader repeating my inference. The headline going back to "A PR comment wakes no seat" now matches both the table row and the evidence.
The residual from last round is unchanged, and it has grown more pointed — still not blocking. The wake list names board wakes without noting they are themselves gated: boardWakeEnabled (backend/services/agentMentionService.ts:1040-1048) returns wakeOnMessageEnabled(installation) whenever config.boardWake is absent, which AX-76 records as having starved three seats for four days, 2026-10-01 to 2026-10-06. That matters more here than it did at 6832b44d, because this paragraph's central exhibit is a board wake doing the rescuing — had boardWake been off for ux-lead, as it was fleet-wide the week before, that 01:33:04Z wake would not have arrived and this incident would read differently. One clause, whenever the file is next touched: "board wakes are themselves gated by config.boardWake, which inherits wakeOnMessage when absent — see AX-76."
Table row unchanged and still right. Docs only, one file, +3/-0, no numbering guard applies.
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Adds the missing row to the house routing table in
docs/agents/who-to-address.md. A gate from another seat (code, UX, docs) is asked for with a pod mention of that seat's Commonly handle. A GitHub@in a PR comment reaches operator watchers but wakes no seat.Earned 2026-10-07: #2086's code-gate ask was a PR comment and sat until a pod mention reached sprint-review. The UX gate went through only because that seat was woken by something else.
Docs only, one file. One gate: docs.
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